MH17偏离固定航线！飞越WAR ZONE！

wlwl

我不是事后孔明，但不到24小时前，才有一架乌克兰战机被击落，可以说是烽火连天，为什么民航机还要飞得那么靠近？虽然说客机可以飞得很高，但还是要提高警惕，高风险区范围还是很危险的。飞来横祸，够倒霉的。RIP!

motor6620

Cod_XIII 发表于 18-7-2014 08:04 AM
自己去比对航线和乌克兰禁飞区

可以告诉我哪里可以找到飞机航线吗？

Cod_XIII

motor6620 发表于 18-7-2014 08:17 AM
可以告诉我哪里可以找到飞机航线吗？

看来你根本就没有仔细读我发的内容嘛

motor6620

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/s ... icted-airspace-iata

Malaysian plane downed in Ukraine was in unrestricted airspace -IATA
July 18, 2014 3:51am
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LONDON - A global airline industry group said on Thursday that a Malaysian airliner downed over Ukraine appeared to have been flying through ordinary and open airspace when it crashed.

"Based on the information currently available, it is believed that the airspace that the aircraft was traversing was not subject to restrictions," the Geneva-based International Air Transport Association said in a statement.  — Reuters

只能share这个反驳

motor6620

http://www.iata.org/pressroom/pr/Pages/statement-MH17.aspx

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Press Release No.:  

Date: 17 July 2014
Statement on MH17

Geneva, Switzerland - 7pm

We extend our deepest sympathies to the families and friends of the passengers and crew of MH17. Based on the information currently available it is believed that the airspace that the aircraft was traversing was not subject to restrictions.
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希望LZ可以反驳。

leoprudencecsl

我支持楼主的看法，因为他attached 了Rusia News 7月8日的报道，这是现在唯一未发生事时的事实报道。除了国家会事后会隐瞒事实，难道国际就不会吗？当一个男人和女人打架，就算是女人先开始打男人，女人学过功夫，但大众多过一半会说男人的错，这就是事实！？

leoprudencecsl

Cod_XIII

Why was MH17 flying through a warzone? How European and US airlines warned against using Ukraine airspace since APRIL
Air accident investigators are planning to inspect the proposed flight plan lodged by pilots on board Malaysian Airlines flight MH17.
The 17-year-old jet was shot down over Donetsk in Eastern Ukraine despite commercial aircraft being warned against using the airspace because of the ongoing conflict.
One of the major questions is whether the Malaysian flight crew received the warning from flight safety officials about the risk to safety.
The jet was travelling at 33,000 feet at 490 knots when it disappeared from radar screens over Donetsk.
It is believed that the Malaysian Airlines pilots ignored several warnings to avoid the airspace over Ukraine. It is understood the Malaysian Airline jet used the Ukrainian route to save fuel as diverting north or south would have taken longer.
In April, the European Aviation and Safety Agency warned: ‘Taking into consideration the recent publication by the Russian Federation of a series of notices to airmen (NOTAMs) modifying the Simferopol FIR which is under the responsibility of Ukraine, and their intent to provide air traffic services (ATS) within this airspace, the Agency draws the aviation communities’ attention to the possible existence of serious risks to the safety of international civil flights.  

玩死你

请问你是哪个单位？
如果你什么都不是的话，请你别发表这种诽谤性的言论。
人家调查单位都还没有证据可以下定论在悲剧的来龙，你却在这里扇风点火...

thamdx

楼主别放屁了mh17不在 no fly zone.它高于nofly zone 1000ft.

thamdx

Paste几个不注明出处的英文文章就当作证据

myolie

唯恐天下不乱的楼主

hijaak

樓主在分享消息而已，不過肯定標題下的太過確定性了
對機長或馬航很不負責
只能等有關單位確實真相的來龍去脈
不過戰亂中很多時候是政治利益先

Cod_XIII

thamdx 发表于 18-7-2014 11:23 AM
楼主别放屁了mh17不在 no fly zone.它高于nofly zone 1000ft.

欧洲空中航行安全组织（EASA）的声明称，乌克兰设置的封闭区范围只到高度层320（9750米），而马航客机当时飞行高度为高度层330（10050米）

高度差仅300米

在4月3日，EASA发表正式警告通知及7月8日乌克兰方面画出危险禁飞区后，任何接近或者飞跃WAR ZONE都行为都是不明智的

4月3日 EASA与ICAO发表的正式警告
http://ad.easa.europa.eu/ad/2014-10

7月8日乌克兰方面画出的WAR ZONE


GMT 18:45 乌克兰空域的航班雷达监控图（24号雷达站）,靠近WAR ZONE的只有MH17，其它航班都绕开了冲突区域的空域
[img][http://www.airtrafficmanagement. ... 4/07/divert.png/img]

Cod_XIII

黑匣子已经被俄方获得，为何飞行员强闯禁飞区就要搞清楚，据说美议员麦凯恩从先前声称俄罗斯将要付出惨重代价，很快改口为“不认为俄军会击落飞机”。

最关键的是MH17为什么飞到这里？是MH17自己定的航线？还是乌克兰空管人员指挥引来的？还是电子诱骗过来的？还是飞机被自动控制遥控过来的？这个问题是关键！

chrizyuen2

重点是：难道一定是被射下来。。不能机械故障么？
或许，吵到最后，还被自刮一巴掌。

rishifu

飛機航綫很多變化的... 沒有坐過飛機嗎？

rickray

http://www.theguardian.com/world ... restricted-airspace



Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was flying just 1,000 feet (300 metres) above restricted airspace when it was shot down, according to the European air traffic control body.

Eurocontrol said Ukrainian authorities had barred aircraft from ground level to 32,000 feet but the doomed aircraft was cruising at 33,000 feet, still within range of sophisticated ground-to-air weaponry, when it was hit. All flights in eastern Ukraine have now been barred from the area, Eurocontrol added.

"The aircraft was flying at Flight Level 330 [approximately 10,000 metres/33,000 ft] when it disappeared from the radar," said. "This route had been closed by the Ukrainian authorities from ground to flight level 320 [32,000ft] but was open at the level at which the aircraft was flying."

It also emerged that as recently as a month ago British airlines were given the all-clear to overfly the area where flight MH17 was downed, after being told that operations were "normal" in the region.

A notice posted by the UK's Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) on 14 June urged carriers to avoid overflying Crimea and parts of southern Ukraine a month ago due to safety concerns, but they were not ordered to avoid the rest of the country.

Airlines were asked not to overfly Crimea, the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov due to the potential for conflicting air traffic control instructions between Ukrainian and Russian authorities. It added: "Operations are normal in all other Ukrainian FIRs [flight information regions]." However, the CAA notice added that UK airlines flying into the Dnepropetrovsk flight region, which includes Donetsk, should "review current security/threat information".

The CAA memo, known in the aviation industry as a Notice to Airmen or NOTAM, was broadly similar to a notice issued by the regulator's US counterpart in June. Neither of the Notams refer to a threat from ground-to-air missiles or fighter jets, with the CAA notice adding that a further safety review will be conducted by 1 August.

Before every long-haul flight, airline pilots are given clearance by the air traffic control bodies along their route. Once airborne, flights can still be rerouted for safety reasons by air traffic controllers as they enter a country's airspace so, in theory, the pilots of flight MH17 could have been warned by Ukrainian air traffic control of a threat from military forces on the ground more than 30,000ft below. International airlines submit flightplans to air traffic control authorities every six months or so. Major airlines such as BA also have risk advisers who inform pilots of risks involving specific territories such as Ukraine, on top of the Notams from the CAA.

In a statement the CAA said that after the MH17 disaster airlines had been told by the European air traffic control body to avoid the region: "The Ukrainian authorities are responsible for managing their airspace and the UK or other countries cannot enforce airspace restrictions in the area. However, the CAA has previously issued advice to UK airlines on operating in this area and following this incident, Eurocontrol has issued advice to airlines to plan routes that avoid the area."

The UK Department for Transport said airborne flights were now being rerouted around the area where MH17 crashed. "Flights already airborne are being routed around the area by air traffic control in the region."

Eurocontrol said flight restrictions were not in place for airspace at cruising altitude, where MH17 was hit.

A global airline industry group said on Thursday that MH17 appeared to have been flying through ordinary and open airspace when it crashed.

"Based on the information currently available, it is believed that the airspace that the aircraft was traversing was not subject to restrictions," said the International Air Transport Association.

British Airways said it was not overflying Ukraine. "The safety and security of our customers is always our top priority. Our flights are not using Ukrainian airspace, with the exception of our once-a-day service between Heathrow and Kiev. We are keeping those services under review, but Kiev is several hundred kilometres from the incident site."

Germany's Lufthansa said it had decided to avoid east Ukrainian airspace with immediate effect, while Russia's Transaero said it would avoid Ukraine altogether and Reuters reported that Emirates had suspended flights to Ukraine. In France, a statement by the junior transport minister Frédéric Cuvillier said he had advised French airlines "to avoid Ukraine's airspace as long as the reasons behind this catastrophe are not known."

A pilot for a major European airline who has flown over Ukraine since the conflict began said it was normal practice for airlines to fly over conflict zones. "We would often avoid areas where there is air-to-air conflict, but we flew over Iraq and Afghanistan when the British and US armed forces were deployed there, because only one side was using military jets."

Explaining why airlines fly over conflict zones, where groups might be in possession of ground-to-air missiles, the pilot said: "There will be weapons based on the ground when you are at 30,000 feet, but that is far up in the air. There are not many missile systems that can be so accurate."

The pilot added that hand-held missile systems were not viewed as a threat to airlines flying at altitude but sophisticated weaponry, such as the Buk system that has been cited as being involved in the MH17 disaster, was much more dangerous. Had-held rocket launchers have been used against commercial aircraft, including an attack in Kenya in 2002 when a shoulder-launched missile just missed an Israeli airliner during take-off at Mombassa airport. In 2003 army vehicles and 1,500 anti-terrorist police were deployed at Heathrow amid fears of a similar attack.

The pilot's comments indicate that assumptions about flying over conflict zones where groups are known to be armed with ground-to-air missiles will now have to be reviewed. However, the pilot added that Ukrainian airspace was regularly overflown by European airlines – including British Airways, Lufthansa and KLM – and imposing a no-fly zone over the entire country would have commercial and logistical consequences for carriers.

"Ukraine is huge. If you were to close that airspace it would be a long way round for a lot of airlines. If you were to close it to high-level traffic it would be quite expensive in terms of extra fuel and it would be quite disruptive."

The cost of airspace restrictions was made clear to European airlines in 2010 and 2011 when an Icelandic volcano erupted and forced jets to be grounded across the continent, costing airlines millions of pounds in compensation and lost revenues and disrupting the travel plans of millions of people.

jnx1030

个人觉得飞机并没离开固定航线

d3viL

http://www.straitstimes.com/news ... lane-sq351-was-abou

A Singapore Airlines flight was within 25 kilometres of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 when it lost contact with air traffic controllers and crashed near the Russian border with Ukraine, according to a website that tracks global aircraft in real time.

According to flightradar24.com, Singapore Airlines SQ351, a Boeing 777, and Air India AI113, a Boeing 787, were about within 15 miles (25 kilometres) of MH17 when the Boeing 777 disappeared and crashed after presumably being shot down.
- See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news ... thash.EM1J1D2F.dpuf

如果是新航被击中那么lz会有一样的推断吗 ？